tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7199458153789354182.post2592662973753948841..comments2023-03-25T01:51:29.521-04:00Comments on World of Garnia: Time & the Compression Ratio Between Earth and Garnia WorldThe Great Khanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18342783210750664992noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7199458153789354182.post-87257404600937753172012-07-13T14:06:48.574-04:002012-07-13T14:06:48.574-04:00Incidentally, my research indicates that the India...Incidentally, my research indicates that the Indians in what is now the Necromancer Lands have to come from a period of after 1100 BC, but probably no later than 150 BC, which makes them pre-date the Celts too. I had actually wanted them to be Dravidians, but I need them to be Vedic era Hindus.The Great Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342783210750664992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7199458153789354182.post-35153467202695969902012-07-13T13:53:49.482-04:002012-07-13T13:53:49.482-04:00I am now working an an addenda post for this one, ...I am now working an an addenda post for this one, trying to get everyone placed and in their proper temporal context. Pre-Human timeline to come after.The Great Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342783210750664992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7199458153789354182.post-49094489892050394942012-07-13T13:50:19.156-04:002012-07-13T13:50:19.156-04:00Heh is that shite or shiite #seewhatididthereHeh is that shite or shiite #seewhatididtheredacj501https://www.blogger.com/profile/04476281477717529218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7199458153789354182.post-18210560627286738732012-07-13T13:49:54.928-04:002012-07-13T13:49:54.928-04:00And I'm wrong again, I missed the Roma people,...And I'm wrong again, I missed the Roma people, or Gypsies, as they are usually called by outsiders. They live along the Frodia/Garnia borderlands, in both countries.The Great Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342783210750664992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7199458153789354182.post-6341146382150168502012-07-13T13:47:38.607-04:002012-07-13T13:47:38.607-04:00I looked through my notes and the only Human ethni...I looked through my notes and the only Human ethnic group that I can see missing is the Kung San, and those poor bastards get to share the shite territory south of the Mistlands with both the Iroquois and the Muslim Arabs. There's a fun mix of people.The Great Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342783210750664992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7199458153789354182.post-72677682660447478472012-07-13T04:49:36.267-04:002012-07-13T04:49:36.267-04:00My original "fill the steppes" hypothesi...My original "fill the steppes" hypothesis was based on two things, the near doubling of the Human population with every generation (every 20 years), and the sustainability of a pre-industrial steppe population based on the Eurasian steppes population maximum, which I assumed were about the same size when I eyeballed it and made an educated guess. <br /><br />Now I originally started with a population of 120,000 Celts, drawn from every even vaguely Celtic population on Earth, hence the Picts, Gaelic Irish, Romanized Celts of Gallia Cisalpina, eastern Celts of Galatia, half-German Belgae and "primitive" Celt-Iberians, in addition to the Gauls and Britons. I hadn't considered it at the time, but Ligurians are a possibility too, adding another small linguistic group to the pot. The reason this works is that they share a common material culture, a common enough social culture, similar languages and a common religion.<br /><br />Now, the Eurasian steppe, and I don't have a source handy at the moment, had a "peak" capacity of roughly 10 million people I think, with a nearly geometric progression (and remember, much of their magic is based on either making them successful in battle or more fertile, lands or people or flocks of beasts), and they have both the horse and the wheel, as well as iron. These are new things in Garnia World. Their magic is strong and they are not afraid to experiment; the Sidhe start out with a big advantage there, but lose it quickly, humans are more willing to die experimenting or in battle, I figure the Sidhe, being otherwise immortal, are cautious, like the FDA or something, with new magic.<br /><br />Anyway, if we keep getting influxes of new refugees from Earth, during the Gallic war or the invasion of Britain and during the Christianization phase and during the Viking Age, and the Medieval Period, and so on, whenever Celtic culture takes a real hit, that steppe is going to fill up quick if they come in any significant numbers, as you pointed out they could very easily pick up another 60,000+ Helvetii after their defeat by Caesar at the start of the Gallic war, that adds another 50% or more to the starting population base right there.The Great Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342783210750664992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7199458153789354182.post-80503385146530767782012-07-13T01:40:36.226-04:002012-07-13T01:40:36.226-04:00I'm just putting notes in as I encounter thing...I'm just putting notes in as I encounter things I want to note:<br /><br />* I'm still thinking 130 years to fill the steppes is way short, or I have a different perception of what fill the steppes means. These steppes are something like 3000 miles across aren't they? All of it uncharted territory, full of monsters...familiarity with the climate and relative lack of intelligent life in the region would be a big boon, but even starting with whole villages basically intact (which not all migrations did IIRC) I think it would take a few hundred years to really spread out...<br /><br />as I keep reading I think my concerns can be quieted if we do bring larger numbers from some of the migrations - and hell, to placate us both simultaneously, just give some wiggle room on estimates for both total population of the steppes and the size of migrations, depending on which "expert" you believe (basically me or you lol) and it all works anyway...unless we aren't really talking about all 3000 miles of steppe in the first place...<br /><br />ok 65 years? either you trollin' or we can't be talking about the same 3000 mile wide piece of real estate, right? you must mean the region bordered on the east by the great rift and the mistlands but bordered by what in the west? how big a territory? <br /><br />Erc Mac Cai! Ha!<br /><br />ok - you gotta find the link to that old population post...I looked a little...I gotta see about this and see why my estimates are so far off from yours...we usually don't disagree on elemental things like this, so I must be missing something...<br /><br />once I wrap my head around the population projections though I am loving this - this is the post I've been hoping we could figure out since we restarted this thing!dacj501https://www.blogger.com/profile/04476281477717529218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7199458153789354182.post-23107447704625617512012-07-12T22:23:23.351-04:002012-07-12T22:23:23.351-04:00Oh, and, somewhat perversely, the Arabs get to com...Oh, and, somewhat perversely, the Arabs get to come over in two waves to two different locations. One group may be Muslim, since their leaders are called Emirs, and that seems to be an Islamic royal title. The other, larger and more successful group is pagan, but now thoroughly mixed with the Indian population in the Necromancer Lands AKA "Kalipha Al Khalid". The other Arabs get to share bad terrain with the Iroquois, stuck to the south of the Mistlands between Garnia and Ming Liang, and make up some of the ethnic population of the Pirate Isles in the Sea of Nightmares. I think they got a raw deal. Live in the worlds largest most primeval swamp and share it with a bellicose nation of stone age warriors, or migrate out into a sea full of monsters. Try and advance north into the mountains and your vaunted Damascus steel rots, try to go east and you hit a Chinese empire that you have no chance against, because they have an enormous population, try to go west and you run into a line of border forts defended by warlike head-hunters who also outnumber you.The Great Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342783210750664992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7199458153789354182.post-63819623914450680442012-07-12T22:06:37.549-04:002012-07-12T22:06:37.549-04:00So far I've noticed that I missed the Arabs, A...So far I've noticed that I missed the Arabs, Aztecs, Iroquois and Indians (the Hindu sub-continent kind); I am sure a keener editorial eye will pick up some more Human ethnic groups that got skipped.The Great Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18342783210750664992noreply@blogger.com